Sunday, 13 May 2012

Group discussion

This week I had a group discussion on my work. It was really useful with lots of interesting comments and suggestions. The focal point of this discussion was on the dome, which was based on the links that I had sent out for everyone to read beforehand. While I had talked about the construction of the dome in these posts I hadn't talked about my latest ideas regarding my project. I wanted to see how everyone would react to the dome first.

I will talk about my new ideas in the next post by looking at some of my previous thoughts from earlier posts to try and explain how I reached this point.  Hopefully this will answer some of these questions, plus adding in some ideas gained from these comments :-)

Below are the comments/questions that I got asked:

Jess: Are you thinking to have projections inside the dome as well as the monitor Kay?

Mariana: Kay... I agree with you on the Drift Line sand Pattern video... it is BEAUTIFUL

Moira: I really like the fabric moving outside.

Olivia: the fabric video is amazing.

Moira: it looks almost like it was computer generated.

Moira: the dome is looking good too.

Mariana: I like the balloons being wrapped inside the dome surface.  I bet that if there are more balloons and different sizes placed close together all wrapped with the film wrap it would make an interesting organic surface.

 Mariana: But I don't understand... are you planning to project your videos on to the dome's surface?

 Moira: yeah i was also wondering about how the videos will be projected.

 Mariana: or are people watching them on the screen you are going to camouflage inside the dome?

Olivia: it would be fantastic if the projections were changing due to the mass of the dome.

Olivia: real 3d :)

Mariana: oh ok... because I saw some experiments you did projecting on to balloons... you are not using that?

Jess: You would have to think a lot about where the projections were going if you were to project on transparent material as it would obviously "leak out"

 Mariana: I see Kay... I like a lot the idea of projecting your videos (that are like patterns) on to textures, you might end up finding a great look.

Jonathan Kearney: one of the full time students has been experimenting with making projection screens with bubble liquid - which of course has the same issues the image just travels right through it, a screen needs some 'thickness' by that I mean something for the projected image to hold onto.

Louis: Brightness and distortion from projecting should be considered. How important are the images as seen on the screen, you can gain impact with projection but lose clarity.

Jess: It's interesting you're filming elements of nature, and have created a cocoon like dome but actually it is made out of very inorganic materials.

Osiris: Kay: should the Dome be sound prove ? or is it not important for the experience to be isolated from your exterior ?

Jonathan Kearney: Louis - good point - projection can be big but it is hard to get very high quality.

Moira: but is clarity important? Maybe the distortion will enhance the visuals.

Osiris: Kay: your video is super:

Mariana: it could also be nice to have one of those small projectors that projects on to some texture inside the dome so that the image follows the concave structure of the dome?

Jess: Projecting onto shaped surfaces also gives a very different effect to the work.

Olivia: yes that would be great because the structure would shift changing the "rhythm" of the projectio.

Osiris: Kay: It reminds me of the Allegory of the Cave from Plato.

Jess: Also if people go into the tent they may get in the way of the projected image unless it's done from outside.


 Mariana: My main concern about the flat screen is that it will break from the circular aspect of the dome - which I really like- (if you use a small projector it will work fine, I have one of them).

Jonathan Kearney: but maybe projecting from inside upwards could be very interesting - not sure how someone would get inside but the layers of transparent material you have should mean some image would 'stick' to the surface and some would carry on out of the dome onto the ceiling.

 Jonathan Kearney: Mariana - you mean the very small pico projectors?

Mariana: yes the pocket projectors.

Madeline Churchill: recycled light - Pipilotti Rist used it in her Hayward show.

Moira: yeah I agree with Mariana, unless the contrast between the organic dome and the monitor plays a part in your concept.

Jonathan Kearney: Madeline - yes - I love the term 'recycled light' - seems an oxymoron but actually very useful idea.

Madeline: Pipilotti was always conscious of how each of her pieces would bleed into each other - maybe the light outside of the dome is just as important.

Mariana: or unless you find a way to blend the monitor to the dome... as you wrote on your blog about finding a way to camouflage it... it may end up working well.

Louis: at what point does the display environment trump the visual expression of the video, a fine balance is needed.

Olivia: maybe a use of a reflector would be interesting.

Jess: It depends if you want it all to be contained within the dome.

Madeline: I wrote about it a bit on my blog after seeing her show -

Jess: The viewing environment can be equally as important as the video displayed if that is the concept of an installation.

Jonathan Kearney: screens can be flexible in shape sometimes - not easy but here is a great example

Jess: Yes an immersive experience with the done.

Louis: yes viewing environment is important but there needs to be a focus on the art or a purposeful intention to meld the two.

Jonathan Kearney: good point Louis.
Jonathan: Mariana - yes I think it would be!

Jonathan Kearney: Kay - you can think of your dome in 2 ways -
1. the experience inside and
Jonathan : 2. the experience from outside looking at it while one person is inside.

Osiris: I Am not sure I agree Louis, why does it need a focus on the art ? Maybe the objects purpose is only support.

Madeline: I love the idea of a glowing dome! Like a digital igloo.

Mariana: yes, Kay, I agree it is also very important to consider what are other people seeing while one person is inside the dome, how does the dome look from the outside - great idea the digital igloo-!
Jonathan Kearney: Osiris - fair point about the focus on the art but what about Louis' point about the idea of a 'purposeful intention to meld the two'?

Jess: Yes I don't see why the viewing environment can't be part of the concept going back to pipilotti's work the girl who doesn't miss much - you have to view with your head stuck up through a hole!

Louis: then the concept has expanded beyond the video art and now is combined with the environment of display. I have no problem with looking at  either way.

Jonathan Kearney: Kay - I think that is important - no one will experience the work from inside first - everyone will see it from outside and be drawn into it, or put off by it.

Olivia: I think art and functionality do merge, pythagoras' sacred geometry is definitely a verification of this.

Madeline:  iI it's an immersive experience then the display and the dome should be equally important.

 Louis: That is working with advertisement, to draw a viewer into the isolated experience.

 Madeline : Think of Tracey Emin's tent - it's a normal tent to start with then inside it becomes a chamber of names and experiences.

Jess: I am also thinking of Nam June paik's laser dome we saw at fact - the content was hidden from the outside and only revealed when they went in.

Louis : A dome to me is an interior experience the outside should be enticing also.

Jess: It will look interesting to see the monitor inside from the outside though.

Jess: The image may not be clear etc
Jess: So people will want to go in and see what it is.

 Jess: How big is the dome?

Osiris: 200cm x 200cm, height:140cm

Jess: Oh yes Kay had put the dimensions - I was thinking in terms of is it a 2 or 3 man tent!! :)

Mariana: I think that the materials on the surface (balloons and film wrap) can be intriguing enough to attract people to go into the dome... and besides, the fact there is a dome will make people want to see what there is inside.

Mariana: I think it's natural!

Moira: I think so too.

Louis:  Maybe we are all reacting to the word dome, perhaps we could refer to it as a booth.

Jonathan: there are many examples of immersive experiences that intrigue or repulse from outside - I think an artist should think through how people might react to it -

Louis: domes were invented to provide large interior spaces without visual obstructions.

Jonatha: the artist should make the decision about what it will look like based on tests and experiments -- just abdicating the decision and letting other factors decide for you is not the best situation, where possible should the artist at least attempt to control the material, the environment, the content, the experience?

 Jess: Yes and what they want that reaction to be.

 Moira: is the fabric of the dome the same fabric shown in the video?

Jess: I'm getting an image of people squeezing in with loads of balloons :)

Moira: ah ok that sounds interesting.

Jess: That sounds good on the beach.

Mariana: Great idea Kay, but the final dome will be placed in the show right?

Mariana: nice!!!
Mariana: the dome within the dome!

Moira: domeception

Jonathan: when Kay first described the dome idea to me in a tutorial I was concerned that it might look too much like a normal tent (this can be ok as Madeline pointed out earlier in reference to Tracey Emin's tent --- but I think the way Kay has made the dome - using the structure of a small dome tent - but covering it with clear plastic and using a white base sheet it does now feel like a specifically constructed piece -- do anyone else agree or do you feel it is too much like a tent still?

Jess: A tent is a familiar structure at least people will know to go in it and it's a very specialised looking tent!

Olivia: the tent is a wonderful semiotic object - so many rich readings of it

 Olivia: i think the choice of white a tabula rasa is a canvas for those experiences

 Mariana: I agree... I think it also follows the generative aspect of her work.

Louis: I think is will have more of an organic feel than a tent, but dome tents look organic to me.

Moira: I think the balloons and the transparent material make it look like it was constructed for a specific reason.

 Olivia: i think the use of balloon will make a change and make it look more like a morphinc construction, but still resemble a tent /sanctuary /cocoon

Mariana: when I imagine how all the different size balloons will look in the dome, I picture it with that pattern look of what she has been filming.

Jess: You don't often have a transparent tent either, the idea of accent is usually to provide a private space.

Moira: I really like how it's looking actually I would only be concerned about how to display the videos.

Moira: without ruining the flow of the tent.

Olivia: actually saying cocoon maybe if the fabric was woven?

Madeline: I think I would probably try and 'hide' the fact it is tent poles. I think it works but I would really layer up the transparent materials...

Jess: Accent - a tent

Moira: I think that a projection is the way to go.

Moira: but you could experiment and see how it looks like.

Louis: sometimes if one monitor is hard to place but possibly using more than one and different sizes could solve the problem.

 Louis: a safe haven

 Jonathan: Kay - I think Jess made a good point earlier about how a transparent tent questions the very nature of a tent being a private space - this is not a negative thing but certainly important to think through.
Jonathan: also Kay - when Madeline said earlier about trying to 'hide' the tent poles - maybe using layers and layers of plastic might be worth trying - if you used cling film for example it could actually act as a structural element - when you use loads of that it becomes very strong and solid feeling even though it still have a translucency.

 Madeline: It might then come to look like a cocoon.

 Louis:  another of natures safe havens.

Jonathan: yes

Madeline : Hmm protective and inviting - ?

 Louis: a cocoon implies a transformation after the experience
 Louis: or during.

Jess: Do you want it to be claustrophobic inside?

Madeline: (Kay, did you think we'd all get stuck on the tent?!)

Louis: will you need a warning about flash photography.

Jess: Will it get hot inside?

Jonathan: Madeline  - I was just thinking exactly the same thing ;)

Jonathan: and I was thinking what are the qualities of the tent...

Jonathan: you could make a cocoon type structure from woven willow for example and then cover it with transparent plastic but I quite like the idea of the tent being a movable thing, something that can be put up and down in different locations, on a beach, in a field, on a street even.

Louis: that is the major advantage to dome tents.

Jonathan: Kay this line from Olivia is very good 'a trip to the subconscious where you can expose yourself' - I wonder if that starts to resolve the tent as a translucent object - very good Olivia.

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